Gallons -> ounces, puzzled

[Joerg]

Folks,

Yesterday I bottled another Pale Ale and this time I started using a
spreadsheet for bottle inventory. As we drink and clean bottles whether
own or store-bought they are added, when I bottle a homebrew those are
subtracted.

So ... fermenter showed slightly above the 5gal mark. Subtract the yeast
cake and call it five gallons. That should be 640oz. Actually a pint
more because of the sugar solution. Minimum siphon spillage when racking
off. I filled:

20 Grolsch bottles, 15.2oz each
16 US bottles, 12oz each
2 German 1/2l bottles, 16.9oz each
1 750ml Hopka bottle, 25.3oz

That totals 555oz. Where did the remaining 85oz go? Do you guys also
have some unexplained loss?

Ok, I admit that I sampled but that wasn't even a whole glass.

[Robert]

"Joerg" wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...

Folks,

Yesterday I bottled another Pale Ale and this time I started using a
spreadsheet for bottle inventory. As we drink and clean bottles whether
own or store-bought they are added, when I bottle a homebrew those are
subtracted.

So ... fermenter showed slightly above the 5gal mark. Subtract the yeast
cake and call it five gallons. That should be 640oz. Actually a pint
more because of the sugar solution. Minimum siphon spillage when racking
off. I filled:

20 Grolsch bottles, 15.2oz each
16 US bottles, 12oz each
2 German 1/2l bottles, 16.9oz each
1 750ml Hopka bottle, 25.3oz

That totals 555oz. Where did the remaining 85oz go? Do you guys also
have some unexplained loss?

Ok, I admit that I sampled but that wasn't even a whole glass.

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Your math went wrong at slightly above 5 gallons - yeast cake equals 5
gallons. Obviously slightly above did not equal yeast cake.

Robert

[Joerg]

Post by Joerg
Folks,
Yesterday I bottled another Pale Ale and this time I started using a
spreadsheet for bottle inventory. As we drink and clean bottles whether
own or store-bought they are added, when I bottle a homebrew those are
subtracted.
So ... fermenter showed slightly above the 5gal mark. Subtract the yeast
cake and call it five gallons. That should be 640oz. Actually a pint
more because of the sugar solution. Minimum siphon spillage when racking
20 Grolsch bottles, 15.2oz each
16 US bottles, 12oz each
2 German 1/2l bottles, 16.9oz each
1 750ml Hopka bottle, 25.3oz
That totals 555oz. Where did the remaining 85oz go? Do you guys also
have some unexplained loss?
Ok, I admit that I sampled but that wasn't even a whole glass.
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Your math went wrong at slightly above 5 gallons - yeast cake equals 5
gallons. Obviously slightly above did not equal yeast cake.

That I don't understand. The yeast cake left after racking was just a
thin layer at the bottom. Not even close to the more than half gallon
missing.

It's ok, I am happy getting 4.3 gallons. I am just wondering where the
missing 85oz went and why instructions often say you end up with about
53 12oz bottles. I would have barely filled 46 if I'd used only 12oz
bottles.

The OG and FG readings are always right on the money for the recipe so
the total amount of liquid must be about right.

[baloonon]

Post by Joerg

Post by Joerg
Folks,
Yesterday I bottled another Pale Ale and this time I started using a
spreadsheet for bottle inventory. As we drink and clean bottles
whether own or store-bought they are added, when I bottle a homebrew
those are subtracted.
So ... fermenter showed slightly above the 5gal mark. Subtract the
yeast cake and call it five gallons. That should be 640oz. Actually a
pint more because of the sugar solution. Minimum siphon spillage when
20 Grolsch bottles, 15.2oz each
16 US bottles, 12oz each
2 German 1/2l bottles, 16.9oz each
1 750ml Hopka bottle, 25.3oz
That totals 555oz. Where did the remaining 85oz go? Do you guys also
have some unexplained loss?
Ok, I admit that I sampled but that wasn't even a whole glass.
Your math went wrong at slightly above 5 gallons - yeast cake equals
5 gallons. Obviously slightly above did not equal yeast cake.

That I don't understand. The yeast cake left after racking was just a
thin layer at the bottom. Not even close to the more than half gallon
missing.
It's ok, I am happy getting 4.3 gallons. I am just wondering where the
missing 85oz went and why instructions often say you end up with about
53 12oz bottles. I would have barely filled 46 if I'd used only 12oz
bottles.
The OG and FG readings are always right on the money for the recipe so
the total amount of liquid must be about right.

My first thought is to measure the fermenter markers. A simple slip at
the plant could account for a half gallon of error.

Also, a half ounce overfilled per bottle ends up being 20 some ounces.
If you sampled four ounces, that goes up to 24. Add in a bad marking, a
slightly higher level of trub than you thought, a little more spillage,
and you're getting a good bit of missing beer.

[Joerg]

Post by baloonon

Post by Joerg

Post by Joerg
Folks,
Yesterday I bottled another Pale Ale and this time I started using a
spreadsheet for bottle inventory. As we drink and clean bottles
whether own or store-bought they are added, when I bottle a homebrew
those are subtracted.
So ... fermenter showed slightly above the 5gal mark. Subtract the
yeast cake and call it five gallons. That should be 640oz. Actually a
pint more because of the sugar solution. Minimum siphon spillage when
20 Grolsch bottles, 15.2oz each
16 US bottles, 12oz each
2 German 1/2l bottles, 16.9oz each
1 750ml Hopka bottle, 25.3oz
That totals 555oz. Where did the remaining 85oz go? Do you guys also
have some unexplained loss?
Ok, I admit that I sampled but that wasn't even a whole glass.
Your math went wrong at slightly above 5 gallons - yeast cake equals
5 gallons. Obviously slightly above did not equal yeast cake.

That I don't understand. The yeast cake left after racking was just a
thin layer at the bottom. Not even close to the more than half gallon
missing.
It's ok, I am happy getting 4.3 gallons. I am just wondering where the
missing 85oz went and why instructions often say you end up with about
53 12oz bottles. I would have barely filled 46 if I'd used only 12oz
bottles.
The OG and FG readings are always right on the money for the recipe so
the total amount of liquid must be about right.

My first thought is to measure the fermenter markers. A simple slip at
the plant could account for a half gallon of error.

I've tested those on the bottling bucket and they are in the same
locations on both fermenter buckets. The bottling bucket is what I use
to gauge the boil pot fill and that's always right on the money.

Post by baloonon
Also, a half ounce overfilled per bottle ends up being 20 some ounces.

I always go just to the top and when pulling out the wand I get the
usual head space of a little over an inch. It used to be an issue on the
previous two batches (my first ones in over 30 years) but now I bought a
spring-loaded filler wand on advice from this group. Works great and no
more failures to shut off.

Post by baloonon
If you sampled four ounces, that goes up to 24. Add in a bad marking, a
slightly higher level of trub than you thought, a little more spillage,
and you're getting a good bit of missing beer.

Full confession, I also "sampled" 3/4 of a bottle. It was the last one
and not enough beer to fill it all the way. So I drank it :-)

But that was only 8oz worth, plus the 2oz shotglass earlier. It's weird.
I'll see how it goes on the Koelsch style which should be ready to rack
off in 10 days.